The Aspirator
It's a girl!
- Joined
- Apr 7, 2003
- Location
- Vinemount, Ontario CANADA
12-10-04
I just want you new readers to realize that this really is a GREAT thread to learn how to build a B21/23 the right way. It includes basically everything I've been taught and learned throughout the process of building this engine. Very little off topic banter, tons of focused information posted by the people that really know how to do this stuff. Please, read on, learn, pass the knowledge.
Motor's almost done! I've got a full list of materials and costs on post #105.
I just want you new readers to realize that this really is a GREAT thread to learn how to build a B21/23 the right way. It includes basically everything I've been taught and learned throughout the process of building this engine. Very little off topic banter, tons of focused information posted by the people that really know how to do this stuff. Please, read on, learn, pass the knowledge.
Motor's almost done! I've got a full list of materials and costs on post #105.
All the pictures in this thread have disappeared, but I've re-hosted most of them here:
http://www.cravingboost.com/cars/B21ft-rebuild-2004/
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Hey all, we're finally building up a "proper" motor for my brothers 1983 242t. My goal for this thread is to have you guys help me decide what parts to use and what machining needs to be done. Help me learn about all the "squish vs swirl" tactics and stuff like that.
Intended use:
This is for my 18yr old brother. He's building this engine as credit for his Senior Project in high school, and because he needs his car back! It will be driven hard, raced, railed, flogged, etc. It'll get good oil with frequent changes and will be maintained regularly, so it's not going to be abused.
We need a reliable engine that'll last him 10's of thousands of miles without much hassle. I mean if he lets it knock for 6 months straight and turns up the wick to 30psi, of course he'll have problems . He knows this.
We want a high compression motor with great off boost power (like mine) and killer boost power. Very driveable, both daily driving and racing. We're not looking for "boost number braggin' rights" as StealthFTI said, but we're definately looking for the most usable power. If it makes insane power at 10psi, GREAT! Gives it a slight sleeper aspect, "Yeah I'm just running 10psi........ ".
Budget:
I'm thinking like $500-1000 US. Our dad is backing the buildup, and he says we should do what needs to be done, without going completely wild. I agree.
Current parts on the car:
The current shortblock is some POS B23 that we tossed in. That was a stupid idea, cause it sucks balls. I think it's spun a rod bearing, so he's just not driving it. It's time to do this right.
It's got a 398 head that I lightly rebuilt. I dissasembled it and beadblasted everything. Lapped the valves and replaced one loose guide with a new one. New intake valve seals. New lifter bucket absorbers. B cam (though it could easily be an A-cam or a K-cam if that will make the engine even meaner). It appears that the head was surfaced shortly before we got our hands on it. It came off my parts car which threw a rod (supposedly, I haven't checked yet). When I took off the head the Elring headgasket looked BRAND NEW. Newer than a one month old HG that I've removed before. It also appeared to have new absorbers and new intake seals. Lets just say I was happy to find it in such good condition!
Megasquirt is already installed and works great. We've got regular turbo injectors on and.... jeeze I forget what FPR. It might actually be a 2.5bar one. Soon enough we'll toss on some brown tops or probably CFI injectors.
Ignition is still just the K-jet ignition. One day we will upgrade to MSnS, but it might not happen before this motor is done. Then again, if you guys talk me into it, it will happen before this motor is done. It's got crappy spark plug wires and a stock coil. (maybe I'll just finally put EDIS on my car and he can have all my MSnS stuff including my MSD wires.)
It has a 60/63 turbo, pretty tight shaft.
Stock 242 downpipe (with the stupid cat), then 3" exhaust straight back with what we think is a flowmaster muffler. We got the whole system from a buddy for a great price, it's not perfect but it works for now. Once the car works again we'll install a 3" downpipe and cat.
It's got an M46 transmission, 8.5" flywheel and pressure plate, NEW clutchnet.com 6 puck sprung hub clutch.
I forget what else we're using that's relevent, please ask if you have any questions.
Parts we have and are going to use for the new shortblock:
B21FT block, about 190,000 miles. A tiny little lip at the top of the cylinders (very vauge I know, but my parts car with the same mileage had a HUGE lip compared to this)
Ohh yeah, and this is important. This B21FT suffered from a spun rod bearing about 6 months ago. The crank is chewed up a little bit, and I'm hoping that 1st or 2nd undersized rod bearings will clean it up. If not we'll find a new crank. I'm sure the main bearings surfaces will be turned too.
M-rods. The one that spun and got chewed up will be replaced. I've got 5 good rods to choose from, and can easily scrounge up many more if needed.
Pistons are 1st OS B21F Kolbenschmidt, slightly used. I just got them from Matt Dupuis. They're lightly scuffed up on the sides, I'll post up pics if you want to see. Also they're flat top pistons, and in their designated motor are supposed to yeild about 9.3:1 compression.
Just for fun I tried to slide one of these pistons into a cylinder, and it definately wouldn't fit.
New parts for the buildup:
New oil pump, recommendations?
New water pump, belts, all gaskets, etc. New rear main seal, front crank seal, basically everything.
Humm, we should get a new crankcase box too eh?
Main and rod bearings, undersized depending on what the machine shop says about our crank.
Piston rings
Timing belt pulley, it's already got a brand new timing belt.
Electric fan (still gotta find one of those)
Machining to be done:
Turn the crank
Overbore the cylinders to match these 1st overbore pistons
O-ring
Possibly deck the block to ensure a flat surface and enhance squish (please elaborate on this for me guys)
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I think that should do it. I'd like you guys to help me with suggestions on stuff like deciding how much to deck the block, what squish to look for, static compression ratio and dynamic compression ratio, etc etc.
Stealth, I'd love to get this worked out before you leave on the 10th of Oct. My brother and I will probably have started this buildup by then. It would be wonderful to have a good idea of the details before I get too involved. Thank you for making me realize that I needed to come out with a plan of attack, just typing this out has helped me already.
Thanks guys!
John
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