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Old 01-09-2009, 05:36 PM   #251
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I don't know about the Bosch 044, but it should be the same thing there. Just a hose clamp or two.
Bosch 044 is a in-line pump that flows 200 lph at 5 bar. very good pump. I would take that one over a Walbro, but that is just my (silly) personal preference
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:47 PM   #252
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Bosch 044 is a in-line pump that flows 200 lph at 5 bar. very good pump. I would take that one over a Walbro, but that is just my (silly) personal preference
Ah... so that number is for an inline pump then...

What is the number for the in-tank pump then?
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:36 PM   #253
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I thought at one point there was mention of an 8V NA chip, but the first page still says there isn't one. Seeing that the "bang for your buck" is too small for these chips, what increases were noted as far as horsepower and torque?
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:47 PM   #254
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You're looking in the wrong thread. There are 8V NA chips available now. I'm enjoying some right now.
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Old 01-11-2009, 06:00 PM   #255
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klr142, what kind of gains did you see? I did a search for info on the 8V NA chips but turned up the same threads over and over again. Just wondering what kinda numbers to expect if I did purchase them.
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:03 PM   #256
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I thought at one point there was mention of an 8V NA chip, but the first page still says there isn't one. Seeing that the "bang for your buck" is too small for these chips, what increases were noted as far as horsepower and torque?
They are available. Look at the first post of this thread.

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klr142, what kind of gains did you see? I did a search for info on the 8V NA chips but turned up the same threads over and over again. Just wondering what kinda numbers to expect if I did purchase them.
On a stock B230FB/FX you will see a gain of up to 15HP and a lot better driveability. 10HP gain on average I would say.

If it is modified, then you will gain much more. There is more potential in that engine than you think.

A B230F modifed to, or above the B230FB/FX spec, will also gain equally much power of course.

They do work very good on a near stock B230F though. More info will follow in a few days when klr142 is done with the final testing.
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:07 PM   #257
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It's not just numbers. And, if I told you what I "gained" from any of my mods you wouldn't be doing any of them. But if you drove my car, you might change your mind.

I see a more immediate response when I use the throttle, I use less throttle to go up the same hills, I can overtake faster, the car actually feels like it has some power... "Numbers to expect" is a load of crap, just learn that now. An adjustable cam gear doesn't give you x horsepower, a camshaft doesn't give you x horsepower, an exhaust doesn't give you x horsepower, a larger exhaust doesn't give you x horsepower. You can't take your stock supposed horsepower of 115 and add on 5 for this, 3 for that, 10 for this. Benchracers can, but reality can't unless you are able to do it all on the same dyno, on the same day.

All I can tell you is that my car has never been as fast as it is now. Even when it weighed 100lbs less and had smaller/lighter wheels/tires giving it better gearing.

Sorry. I respond this way because there are too many people trying to tack numbers onto stock that they pick out of thin air, and it's getting annoying because it's all BS. That, and I just dynoed my car 6 days after I dynoed my car with the stock chips, and they reloaded the dyno software and it reads differently now. So much for getting a baseline and doing a test that's about as back to back as it can get with a chip swap. Basically another $140 down the drain for nothing.

Out of everything I've done, the chips have made a larger difference than anything else. Except for maybe getting rid of the M cam...
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:10 PM   #258
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You are doing a great job testing the chips.

And yes, the numbers thrown around are just numbers. They don't tell you how the car feels or how it really performs. The real power increase is from around 20-80% on part throttle, but it will also add quite a lot to what you gain at WOT.
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Old 01-17-2009, 07:31 AM   #259
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Is there some fuelcut at 960 Turbo?
Because i have problems with cutting at WOT. My setup is stage2 chips, N/A cams, ported head, 2,75" db, 3"cat, td04hl-16t turbo, 420cc injectors and opened airbox with K/N.
Or could it be only cold weather, -10C and colder? There is no fault codes.
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Old 01-17-2009, 08:20 PM   #260
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Is there some fuelcut at 960 Turbo?
Because i have problems with cutting at WOT. My setup is stage2 chips, N/A cams, ported head, 2,75" db, 3"cat, td04hl-16t turbo, 420cc injectors and opened airbox with K/N.
Or could it be only cold weather, -10C and colder? There is no fault codes.
What engine?
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:50 AM   #261
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B204ft.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:57 AM   #262
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B204ft.
Have you bought those stage 2 chips from me?

The setup you have will support a good amount of power, but even those cars and ECU's can experience fuel cut of course.

How much boost are you running?

And do you really have a 16T? The B204FT came with a Garrett turbo.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:13 AM   #263
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Yes those chips are from you. And yes I putted that 16t there. I dont have an MBC yet but i think that there is more pressure now than stock. Car is -93.
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Yes those chips are from you. And yes I putted that 16t there. I dont have an MBC yet but i think that there is more pressure now than stock. Car is -93.
Please look up what the pressure is.

And a 16T probably works well on the engine, but at higher boost it will not be able to keep up I think. The backpressure on the 16T may be too high, and there is also a risk of boost creep if the turbine housing is not ported.
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Old 01-18-2009, 03:11 PM   #265
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There is 1 bar of boost, and then it cuts off, when it reaches about 5000 rpm.
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Old 01-18-2009, 05:52 PM   #266
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There is 1 bar of boost, and then it cuts off, when it reaches about 5000 rpm.
That is really strange...

But answer this:

If you are at WOT, does it cut out entirely and just slow down when you still hold the foot to the floor?

Or does it cut-go-cut-go-cut-go?
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:43 PM   #267
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It does cut-go-cut-go-cut-go. And now it don`t do it when its warmer (-2celsius).
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:49 PM   #268
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I have a 960 with stock b204ft. Will it work to install a 967 ECU with B234+T chip and a new chipped ezk?
I'm not planning to use the TCU at all. A/C will be removed, I'll run external wastegate with my own boost control and the engine fan will be controled with a separate sensor (the temp sensor for it doesnt work, and i cant get a new one anywhere)
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:20 PM   #269
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i have an 83 240 GLT w/ a b23FT engine in it. its completely stock ATM minus the upgraded spark plugs and wiring i recently put in. im about to purchase a boost controller and i stumbled into this thread.

would one of your chips work in my car? alot of the info was a bit over my head, but i saw 'improved gas mileage so long as you dont floor it' and 'hp gains of 10+' and my attention soon focused on this thread.

so please, enlighten me
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:35 PM   #270
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i have an 83 240 GLT w/ a b23FT engine in it. its completely stock ATM minus the upgraded spark plugs and wiring i recently put in. im about to purchase a boost controller and i stumbled into this thread.

would one of your chips work in my car? alot of the info was a bit over my head, but i saw 'improved gas mileage so long as you dont floor it' and 'hp gains of 10+' and my attention soon focused on this thread.

so please, enlighten me
Since your car is from 1983 you don't have LH2.2 or LH2.4 engine management system. You need one of those to use the chips.
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I have a 960 with stock b204ft. Will it work to install a 967 ECU with B234+T chip and a new chipped ezk?
I'm not planning to use the TCU at all. A/C will be removed, I'll run external wastegate with my own boost control and the engine fan will be controled with a separate sensor (the temp sensor for it doesnt work, and i cant get a new one anywhere)
Yes, it will work.

But if you have the B204 ECU and EZK you can keep those if you don't have a special reason to get rid of them.

(We talked about this last night, but I thought it would be good to answer the question here for others to see as well.)
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Old 01-19-2009, 06:17 PM   #272
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That is really strange...

But answer this:

If you are at WOT, does it cut out entirely and just slow down when you still hold the foot to the floor?

Or does it cut-go-cut-go-cut-go?

What's the difference? I've got the 'cut-go' type for a long time.. but now its gone. Maybe LH learnt something?
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:22 PM   #273
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What's the difference? I've got the 'cut-go' type for a long time.. but now its gone. Maybe LH learnt something?
There are two distinct things that can happen.

Scenario 1:

You accelerate at WOT. At full load, the car goes cut-go-cut-go-cut-go when you still have your foot planted at the floor. That is most likely the AMM reaching the end of its measuring range (or rather, the ECU reaching the end of the scale).

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You accelerate at WOT. At full load, the car cuts out and lose almost all power (slowing down) when you still have your foot planted at the floor. The power might return when the rpm's fall. That is most likely the intake hose collapsing.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:40 PM   #274
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what happens with the LH2.4 fuel-cut after integrating b230ft+16vt ECU+ICU chips?
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:18 PM   #275
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what happens with the LH2.4 fuel-cut after integrating b230ft+16vt ECU+ICU chips?
The fuel cut is going to happen when the A/D-converter max out. Between 5 and 6 volts.

Same as most other ECU's.

Some older ECU's and ECU's for B200 engines have a lower level of fuel cut though (software limited), but that is fixed with the chips.
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