Official LH2.4 EZK Wasted Spark Conversion - Installation Instructions - Page 18

WAGONRACER · 09-19-2018, 04:27 PM

Thought I’d add this as I couldn’t find anything on wiring up 2x standard ignition modules...
Ezk green output into terminal 5 (module 1) out of terminal 5 into coil input 3
Ezk blue output into terminal 5 (module 2) out of terminal 5 into coil input 1
Make a y lead x3 and join terminal 2,3&4 into the original ignition module wiring .

JimmyMelbs · 09-20-2018, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAGONRACER

Thought I’d add this as I couldn’t find anything on wiring up 2x standard ignition modules...
Ezk green output into terminal 5 (module 1) out of terminal 5 into coil input 3
Ezk blue output into terminal 5 (module 2) out of terminal 5 into coil input 1
Make a y lead x3 and join terminal 2,3&4 into the original ignition module wiring .

Thanks mate.
I gather this is done in order to keep the stock ignition wiring in order to keep tacho working?

Chumley360 · 09-27-2018, 01:02 PM

I'm getting a parts list together for this add-on and was wondering if anyone had any experience with the Chrysler 4-cylinder coil in a WS conversion. I saw a few internet threads talking about using it, but not a ton. Seems similar to the Subby coil, but with a flat base. I figured the flat base will simplify a mounting bracket and it's got HEI connections, so wires shouldnt be troublesome.

bmos · 10-10-2018, 08:27 AM

Does anyone have a part number/source for extra EZK connector pins?
I want to use some of the previously unused pins for my spark outputs.

bobxyz · 10-11-2018, 10:49 AM

I think it's this socket pin for the Amp Junior Timer series of connectors, but I haven't actually tried one:
https://www.digikey.com/product-deta...5CT-ND/5419527

Or, you could check Dave Barton's site to see if he has these already, along with all sorts of other 240 connectors.

Brotkasten · 01-17-2019, 03:18 AM

I installed BTI's wasted spark kit yesterday.

I did some testing because it would not start. After resoldering the wiring I finally got spark (I tested all plugs). The car still would not start. It started once but only for a few seconds. Checked all the wiring and voltages along with continuity.

Could the starting problems be caused by too much fuel in the cylinders from prior test starts? After it died on me after running a bit I gave up for the day and reconnected the dizzy. After all I had to go to work in 4 hours.

Brotkasten · 01-17-2019, 03:26 AM

Here are some pics of the kit:

Brotkasten · 01-18-2019, 03:27 AM

Yesterday I got it to start and run but really weak and choppy. The spark is blue and looks strong tho. When I remove a plug from either one of the coils (Bosch 2x2) the car dies. I tested that because I was thinking it might just ran on one coil.

The tachometer does not work even with the relay in place.

nitroboie · 01-25-2019, 02:02 AM

Switch the plug wires around, the chips output banks are more than likely swapped.

WinXis · 01-28-2019, 07:53 PM

Quick question, has anyone used 2 of the stock igniters? I'm doing a budget build on my 145 with a b230fk swap. And since I had 2 940 turbo igniters laying around that was the cheapest option for me.

The partnumber is 0 227 100 124. Was wondering if anyone used these and has a wiring scheme, or how I should wire it up with 2 stock igniters. I cant really find the pin-out anywhere. Or am i better of just finding a J702T or a 0 227 100 203? Or can i just stay low budget with two stock igniters and have a tach signal via them. Thanks in advance.

JimmyMelbs · 01-28-2019, 08:00 PM

Get a 203 as you need it to be dual output I believe the stock ones are single output.

WinXis · 01-28-2019, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyMelbs

Get a 203 as you need it to be dual output I believe the stock ones are single output.

I know they are single output, but according to the cflmoto website you can either use the J702t, the 960 igniter or 2 stock igniters

nitroboie · 01-29-2019, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinXis

The partnumber is 0 227 100 124. Was wondering if anyone used these and has a wiring scheme, or how I should wire it up with 2 stock igniters. I cant really find the pin-out anywhere. Or am i better of just finding a J702T or a 0 227 100 203? Or can i just stay low budget with two stock igniters and have a tach signal via them. Thanks in advance.

It could be done, not positive how the tach output would work.
Using the info from this diagram:
http://www.extraefi.co.uk/assets/img/bosch124.jpg

A sample wiring would be:
Ignitor 1:
Pin 1 to Pin 1 on Bosch 2x2
Pin 2 ground
Pin 4 12v
Pin 5 WS 1/4 output

Ignitor 2:
Pin 1 to Pin 3 on Bosch 2x2
Pin 2 ground
Pin 4 12v
Pin 5 WS 2/3 output

Bosch 2x2 coil
Pin 1 from pin 1 ignitor 1
Pin 2 12v power
Pin 3 from pin 1 ignitor 2

You may or may not have to swap the pin1 and 3 connections on the coil if it doesn't run. Hope this helps.

WinXis · 01-29-2019, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitroboie

It could be done, not positive how the tach output would work.
Using the info from this diagram:
http://www.extraefi.co.uk/assets/img/bosch124.jpg

A sample wiring would be:
Ignitor 1:
Pin 1 to Pin 1 on Bosch 2x2
Pin 2 ground
Pin 4 12v
Pin 5 WS 1/4 output

Ignitor 2:
Pin 1 to Pin 3 on Bosch 2x2
Pin 2 ground
Pin 4 12v
Pin 5 WS 2/3 output

Bosch 2x2 coil
Pin 1 from pin 1 ignitor 1
Pin 2 12v power
Pin 3 from pin 1 ignitor 2

You may or may not have to swap the pin1 and 3 connections on the coil if it doesn't run. Hope this helps.

thank you!

bobxyz · 01-29-2019, 09:38 PM

I haven't installed a WS board, but I think that the original spark pin on the EZK that went to the single ignition module is still fully functional. If so, you can wire a gutted relay to this pin to generate a tach signal. If you use your dual ignition modules, the tach from either of them will be at half the rate.

JimmyMelbs · 01-30-2019, 12:29 AM

Alright gang so I'm a visual guy. Diagrams don't cut it for me or make this easy to comprehend.
Finishing up my wiring and not sure how to hook it up.
I'm using Bosch 2x2 coils and a 203 ignition module.
Have the board and wiring to engine bay and have repinned the new connector for the new ignitor.
I've been advised to keep the old ignitor intact and connected to original heatsink and run power from the original coil which is blue wire on b230ft lh2.4.
Not sure how to take power from the coil or do the relay thing if I even need to.
Can someone help?
If you can explain how you got power and ground from your original coil and what you did with your old ignitor and coil that would be great.
I would preferably like to move or delete the old coil eventually so need to know what I need to do.
Thanks for being patient with me.

Brotkasten · 02-09-2019, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brotkasten

Yesterday I got it to start and run but really weak and choppy. The spark is blue and looks strong tho. When I remove a plug from either one of the coils (Bosch 2x2) the car dies. I tested that because I was thinking it might just ran on one coil.

The tachometer does not work even with the relay in place.

I did some more testing today (I ordered Butchka's board and replaced BTI's - LC reasons..) and noticed:

- The car still will start and run really choppy
- Revving up just kills it
- Tacho works fine now.

I started to probe again and then I finally found something: ALL pins on the Bosch 2x2 module are shorted out - 0 Ohms (tested directly at the module). That would mean all cylinders are firing at the same time, right?

J2_ · 02-09-2019, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brotkasten

I did some more testing today (I ordered Butchka's board and replaced BTI's - LC reasons..) and noticed:

- The car still will start and run really choppy
- Revving up just kills it
- Tacho works fine now.

I started to probe again and then I finally found something: ALL pins on the Bosch 2x2 module are shorted out - 0 Ohms (tested directly at the module). That would mean all cylinders are firing at the same time, right?

/offtopic

What are 'LC' reasons?

JimmyMelbs · 02-10-2019, 04:03 AM

LC generally means 'legit check'

Chilm · 02-10-2019, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brotkasten

Yesterday I got it to start and run but really weak and choppy. The spark is blue and looks strong tho. When I remove a plug from either one of the coils (Bosch 2x2) the car dies. I tested that because I was thinking it might just ran on one coil.

The tachometer does not work even with the relay in place.

Why posting this here and not contacting Blabla, Martijn, BTI?
He wil help you right away that's for sure.

JimmyMelbs · 02-10-2019, 07:02 PM

So much conflicting information here
I have 6 connections on my old coil

Do I just move all these spliced together onto the 85/86 terminals of a gutted relay?
Diagrams state to leave old ignition module plugged in which I've done.
I assume I need switched 12v from the blue wire from old coil so if I splice the power into this and plug both into relay will this be correct?
If not where are you all getting switched 12v from?

Brotkasten · 02-12-2019, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chilm

Why posting this here and not contacting Blabla, Martijn, BTI?
He wil help you right away that's for sure.

There is no way for me to contact him. The Mail on the Website is down and gives an error answer.

JimmyMelbs · 02-12-2019, 05:22 AM

Can someone please answer my questions as there's so much conflicting info here
Where do I get switched 12v from?
The blue wire from old coil or from the 12v wire from old ignitors connector plug?

Chilm · 02-12-2019, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brotkasten

There is no way for me to contact him. The Mail on the Website is down and gives an error answer.

tuning@bijlsmatechnicalinnovations.nl

soclosenotnear · 02-12-2019, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyMelbs

Can someone please answer my questions as there's so much conflicting info here
Where do I get switched 12v from?
The blue wire from old coil or from the 12v wire from old ignitors connector plug?

Pull from old igniter. That worked for me.

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WAGONRACER Board Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, England	Thought I’d add this as I couldn’t find anything on wiring up 2x standard ignition modules... Ezk green output into terminal 5 (module 1) out of terminal 5 into coil input 3 Ezk blue output into terminal 5 (module 2) out of terminal 5 into coil input 1 Make a y lead x3 and join terminal 2,3&4 into the original ignition module wiring . __________________ 945 se b200ft 944 wentworth b200ft 944 TURBO b230ft 945 se b200ft 744 gl b23* carb 964 executive b6303 945 sports edition b230ft 744 gl b200e S60 se b5204t5 945 2.3t b230fk V70 awd R b5234 764 turbo intercooler b230ft 945 b230fk 945 celebration r reg b230fk 745 gl b200e 244 gl b21 944 wentworth b200ft 945 wentworth b200ft S80 b5244s m56 944 h reg gl b230fb

09-27-2018, 01:02 PM	#428
Chumley360 Board Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norfolk, VA	I'm getting a parts list together for this add-on and was wondering if anyone had any experience with the Chrysler 4-cylinder coil in a WS conversion. I saw a few internet threads talking about using it, but not a ton. Seems similar to the Subby coil, but with a flat base. I figured the flat base will simplify a mounting bracket and it's got HEI connections, so wires shouldnt be troublesome. __________________ Got boost? Yes! Got manual? Yes! Got gear? Yes! Got V-8 power? No 1995 940t

01-17-2019, 03:18 AM	#431
Brotkasten Jonas Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Wolfsburg, Germany	I installed BTI's wasted spark kit yesterday. I did some testing because it would not start. After resoldering the wiring I finally got spark (I tested all plugs). The car still would not start. It started once but only for a few seconds. Checked all the wiring and voltages along with continuity. Could the starting problems be caused by too much fuel in the cylinders from prior test starts? After it died on me after running a bit I gave up for the day and reconnected the dizzy. After all I had to go to work in 4 hours. __________________ 91' 940 B230FB+T M90

01-25-2019, 02:02 AM	#434
nitroboie Board Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Charlotte, NC	Switch the plug wires around, the chips output banks are more than likely swapped. __________________ '90 244 '94 945T ipd cam, springs, sways, brace, 16T, TLAO chips, wasted spark, do88 IC

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10-10-2018, 08:27 AM	#429
bmos Board Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Cumberland, ME	Does anyone have a part number/source for extra EZK connector pins? I want to use some of the previously unused pins for my spark outputs.

10-11-2018, 10:49 AM	#430
bobxyz Board Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Boulder, Colorado	I think it's this socket pin for the Amp Junior Timer series of connectors, but I haven't actually tried one: https://www.digikey.com/product-deta...5CT-ND/5419527 Or, you could check Dave Barton's site to see if he has these already, along with all sorts of other 240 connectors.

01-17-2019, 03:26 AM	#432
Brotkasten Jonas Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Wolfsburg, Germany	Here are some pics of the kit:

01-18-2019, 03:27 AM	#433
Brotkasten Jonas Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Wolfsburg, Germany	Yesterday I got it to start and run but really weak and choppy. The spark is blue and looks strong tho. When I remove a plug from either one of the coils (Bosch 2x2) the car dies. I tested that because I was thinking it might just ran on one coil. The tachometer does not work even with the relay in place.

01-28-2019, 07:53 PM	#435
WinXis Board Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Netherlands	Quick question, has anyone used 2 of the stock igniters? I'm doing a budget build on my 145 with a b230fk swap. And since I had 2 940 turbo igniters laying around that was the cheapest option for me. The partnumber is 0 227 100 124. Was wondering if anyone used these and has a wiring scheme, or how I should wire it up with 2 stock igniters. I cant really find the pin-out anywhere. Or am i better of just finding a J702T or a 0 227 100 203? Or can i just stay low budget with two stock igniters and have a tach signal via them. Thanks in advance.

01-28-2019, 08:00 PM	#436
JimmyMelbs Board Member Join Date: Jul 2015	Get a 203 as you need it to be dual output I believe the stock ones are single output.

01-29-2019, 09:38 PM	#440
bobxyz Board Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Boulder, Colorado	I haven't installed a WS board, but I think that the original spark pin on the EZK that went to the single ignition module is still fully functional. If so, you can wire a gutted relay to this pin to generate a tach signal. If you use your dual ignition modules, the tach from either of them will be at half the rate.

01-30-2019, 12:29 AM	#441
JimmyMelbs Board Member Join Date: Jul 2015	Alright gang so I'm a visual guy. Diagrams don't cut it for me or make this easy to comprehend. Finishing up my wiring and not sure how to hook it up. I'm using Bosch 2x2 coils and a 203 ignition module. Have the board and wiring to engine bay and have repinned the new connector for the new ignitor. I've been advised to keep the old ignitor intact and connected to original heatsink and run power from the original coil which is blue wire on b230ft lh2.4. Not sure how to take power from the coil or do the relay thing if I even need to. Can someone help? If you can explain how you got power and ground from your original coil and what you did with your old ignitor and coil that would be great. I would preferably like to move or delete the old coil eventually so need to know what I need to do. Thanks for being patient with me.

02-10-2019, 04:03 AM	#444
JimmyMelbs Board Member Join Date: Jul 2015	LC generally means 'legit check'

02-10-2019, 07:02 PM	#446
JimmyMelbs Board Member Join Date: Jul 2015	So much conflicting information here I have 6 connections on my old coil Do I just move all these spliced together onto the 85/86 terminals of a gutted relay? Diagrams state to leave old ignition module plugged in which I've done. I assume I need switched 12v from the blue wire from old coil so if I splice the power into this and plug both into relay will this be correct? If not where are you all getting switched 12v from?

02-12-2019, 05:22 AM	#448
JimmyMelbs Board Member Join Date: Jul 2015	Can someone please answer my questions as there's so much conflicting info here Where do I get switched 12v from? The blue wire from old coil or from the 12v wire from old ignitors connector plug?