Perceleris Satus?

[OldCarNewTricks]

Hey guys,

I saw this company online, Perceleris. Must be a new company. They only sell one PCM, the Satus. They advertise it as being superior to the Microsquirt.

Utilizes Tunerstudio and has a built in MAP sensor (4 bar). I couldn't find what hardware they use.

Satus | Perceleris Performance Electronics

perceleris.com

Anyone heard of them? Any opinions?

 

[HiSPL]

Says it's "Compatible with Speeduino firmware" which to me tells me its somebody selling a built Speeduino in a case. I guess thats alright, but the whole website gives me nigerian scammer vibes.

 

[Broke4speed]

In their tech specs it states that the firmware it uses is Speeduino. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, I've made my own custom speedy boards too, but it doesn't seem to offer anything over the genuine DIY speedy kits outside of a 3d printed case and a fancy connector. It's not badly priced, but keep in mind the custom speedy boards have no outside support except their own designer. If there's an issue, nobody can help you except the company you bought it from. If you're using a standard Speeduino-designed board, there's a TON of support.

 

[OldCarNewTricks]

Says it's "Compatible with Speeduino firmware" which to me tells me its somebody selling a built Speeduino in a case. I guess thats alright, but the whole website gives me nigerian scammer vibes.

That's sort of what I suspected.

 

[OldCarNewTricks]

In their tech specs it states that the firmware it uses is Speeduino. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, I've made my own custom speedy boards too, but it doesn't seem to offer anything over the genuine DIY speedy kits outside of a 3d printed case and a fancy connector. It's not badly priced, but keep in mind the custom speedy boards have no outside support except their own designer. If there's an issue, nobody can help you except the company you bought it from. If you're using a standard Speeduino-designed board, there's a TON of support.

I think you are right. Better to purchase a real Speeduino. Especially with an un-reviewed and new company. You never know how customer service, etc. is.... I'd rather not be that sucker.

Speeduino actually seems like a very solid option nowadays. Why don't more TB members go for those? Seems like the most I see lately is MS and MaxxEcu.

 

[Perceleris]

Hello, my name is Charles, and I'm a sales representative of Perceleris Performance Electronics, indeed "Perceleris" is a new brand, however we have spent years developing electronic systems in other projects. We are not a SCAM, our company is located in Albuquerque NM and complies with all legal regulations. Our satus system is only our entry level product, in the next few weeks other products will be available such as: Advanced ECU (with Integrated Wideband controller, Partial CAN, CCD protocol support, and sequential injection up to 6 cylinders), Digital Gauges, and Custom distributor kits. The Satus system uses Speeduino firmware, but with homemade electronics. We also have a support portal.
With the purchase of the equipment we assist you until the initial start of the engine, it is our promise. We have multiple engines running, even 2 have already participated in rallies. In the next few days we will be uploading content that proves this on our social networks. Our products can be purchased on eBay, so you can rest easy.

 

[Perceleris]

Says it's "Compatible with Speeduino firmware" which to me tells me its somebody selling a built Speeduino in a case. I guess thats alright, but the whole website gives me nigerian scammer vibes.

As I explained in the previous post we are not a SCAM, nor do we sell a "speeduino" inside a box. We designed our own PCB, which has features that a normal board would not. Greetings

 

[HiSPL]

Well, that'll be interesting to follow. I think you're going to have to get some real good how-to's and videos of it running and some customer feedback going to get any kind of foothold in the ECU game. MS already kinda dominates the low-end market so its gonna be a tough row to hoe.

New hardware is always welcome though.

 

[Perceleris]

Well, that'll be interesting to follow. I think you're going to have to get some real good how-to's and videos of it running and some customer feedback going to get any kind of foothold in the ECU game. MS already kinda dominates the low-end market so its gonna be a tough row to hoe.

New hardware is always welcome though.

We currently have several engines running with our ECU, we are in the process of uploading videos, tutorials, and explanatory content, as well as success stories in the coming weeks.

 

[OldCarNewTricks]

We currently have several engines running with our ECU, we are in the process of uploading videos, tutorials, and explanatory content, as well as success stories in the coming weeks.

I'm interested. Your eBay ad says that the Satus is "better than Megasquirt and Microsquirt." What makes that the case?

 

[Broke4speed]

I mean no disrespect, and I actually LIKE and have used speeduino stuff for years, but even though the current ECU has a custom PCB it still uses Speeduino firmware...which kinda means it's Speeduino, no?. Do you have plans to develop your own firmware and GUI to take advantage of the upcoming additions?

Again, not trying to be rude, but I've also designed custom PCBs with alternate hardware that use Speeduino firmware (like SMT components vs. oldschool through-hole), vertical ampseal/tyco connectors, integrated MAX VR chips, etc...and they've always been Speeduino to me. The price point you're at is incredibly fair for what you're offering too, so it's not like you're gouging people and faking them out, but I'm just wondering why you don't consider the 'Status' ecu a speeduino even though it uses that firmware.

I'm definitely going to keep an eye on your page to check out the upcoming stuff, because it's always interesting to see how the aftermarket world is evolving, and to have more options than just the big-name companies.

 

[HiSPL]

I mean no disrespect, and I actually LIKE and have used speeduino stuff for years, but even though the current ECU has a custom PCB it still uses Speeduino firmware...which kinda means it's Speeduino, no?. Do you have plans to develop your own firmware and GUI to take advantage of the upcoming additions?

Again, not trying to be rude, but I've also designed custom PCBs with alternate hardware that use Speeduino firmware (like SMT components vs. oldschool through-hole), vertical ampseal/tyco connectors, integrated MAX VR chips, etc...and they've always been Speeduino to me. The price point you're at is incredibly fair for what you're offering too, so it's not like you're gouging people and faking them out, but I'm just wondering why you don't consider the 'Status' ecu a speeduino even though it uses that firmware.

I'm definitely going to keep an eye on your page to check out the upcoming stuff, because it's always interesting to see how the aftermarket world is evolving, and to have more options than just the big-name companies.

I too am not trying to be rude or obstinate about all this, but from a consumer standpoint this LOOKS like a speeduino in a 3d printed case. If its NOT that there is no documentation to the contrary that I can see, and there are no pics of it open or being used anywhere.

The reason Megasquirt and Speeduino were succesful is that many thousands of people watched, discussed, and even helped these things get built from the ground up. The projects were put online during development. We understood why they were built that way and what exactly they could or couldn't do.

Perceleris comes out of the gate with a product for sale. Says it runs Seeduino firmware, and has no internet history on the project. It just screams "opportunistic seller" more than anything else. Grabbing an open source project, making it pretty, and selling for profit.

Again, I'm not trying to be negative about things. We need more choices in the standalone ecu and especially TCU markets. New products and new sellers is good for the hobby.

 

[bobxyz]

AFAIK, Speeduino is a open software / open hardware project, which usually means that you can do whatever you want with the public code/design files, but that you must also provide your full source code/design files to anyone who asks. (You can usually find the exact license agreements in the github trees.)

As a business, it becomes convenience and customer service, versus selling proprietary closed products. So, good luck with that - supporting one-of-a-kind installs, with a single sale, or at best, small volumes, is almost always a losing proposition.

 

[Perceleris]

I'm interested. Your eBay ad says that the Status is "better than Megasquirt and Microsquirt." What makes that the case?

If you compare our product with a Megasquirt 2 or a Microsquirt, you can see that it has many more features, also with the purchase we offer personalized support for your project through a ticket system with an SLA of 24 hours.

 

[Perceleris]

I mean no disrespect, and I actually LIKE and have used speeduino stuff for years, but even though the current ECU has a custom PCB it still uses Speeduino firmware...which kinda means it's Speeduino, no?. Do you have plans to develop your own firmware and GUI to take advantage of the upcoming additions?

Again, not trying to be rude, but I've also designed custom PCBs with alternate hardware that use Speeduino firmware (like SMT components vs. oldschool through-hole), vertical ampseal/tyco connectors, integrated MAX VR chips, etc...and they've always been Speeduino to me. The price point you're at is incredibly fair for what you're offering too, so it's not like you're gouging people and faking them out, but I'm just wondering why you don't consider the 'Status' ecu a speeduino even though it uses that firmware.

I'm definitely going to keep an eye on your page to check out the upcoming stuff, because it's always interesting to see how the aftermarket world is evolving, and to have more options than just the big-name companies.

Speeduino is a registered trademark, our ECU is simply not a Speeduino as it has nothing to do with the original PCBs, it just uses the Speeduino firmware which makes it "Speeduino compatible". We are in the process of making a fork to port it to other CPU architectures, always respecting the GPL license.

 

[Perceleris]

I too am not trying to be rude or obstinate about all this, but from a consumer standpoint this LOOKS like a speeduino in a 3d printed case. If its NOT that there is no documentation to the contrary that I can see, and there are no pics of it open or being used anywhere.

The reason Megasquirt and Speeduino were succesful is that many thousands of people watched, discussed, and even helped these things get built from the ground up. The projects were put online during development. We understood why they were built that way and what exactly they could or couldn't do.

Perceleris comes out of the gate with a product for sale. Says it runs Seeduino firmware, and has no internet history on the project. It just screams "opportunistic seller" more than anything else. Grabbing an open source project, making it pretty, and selling for profit.

Again, I'm not trying to be negative about things. We need more choices in the standalone ecu and especially TCU markets. New products and new sellers is good for the hobby.

The design of our ECUs is not open. However, by the dimensions it is very easy to realize that it is not an official speeduino board (In addition to supporting things that an official board does not).

As indicated above, we are in the process of uploading evidence that shows our product working.

I have not come here to convince anyone to buy our product, we simply discovered that you were talking about our brand, and we wanted to clarify that we are not a SCAM.

Talking about opportunism here has no place, Speeduino's source code is under the GPL v2.0 license, we respect the license, and when we make changes to the source code, it will be released, as indicated by the GPL license. MANY commercial products work under this same model, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Today, anyone can build an ECU, but our company focuses on support and making implementation easy, especially for users who are not electronics savvy and don't want to solder anything.

 

[Perceleris]

AFAIK, Speeduino is a open software / open hardware project, which usually means that you can do whatever you want with the public code/design files, but that you must also provide your full source code/design files to anyone who asks. (You can usually find the exact license agreements in the github trees.)

As a business, it becomes convenience and customer service, versus selling proprietary closed products. So, good luck with that - supporting one-of-a-kind installs, with a single sale, or at best, small volumes, is almost always a losing proposition.

As mentioned above, we respect the Speeduino source code license, future modifications and forks we make will be released, as indicated by the GPL v2.0 license.

Something different happens with hardware, we do not use official designs, so we are not obliged to publish the electronic design of our products. (In addition, the firmware license does not force the hardware to be of open design).

As I indicated in another post, I am not here to convince you to buy our products (those who know us know what we sell), we simply want to make it clear that we are not a SCAM, or "opportunists".

 

[Broke4speed]

Speeduino is a registered trademark, our ECU is simply not a Speeduino as it has nothing to do with the original PCBs, it just uses the Speeduino firmware which makes it "Speeduino compatible". We are in the process of making a fork to port it to other CPU architectures, always respecting the GPL license.

Duly noted, thank you for the informative reply .

 

[bobxyz]

Something different happens with hardware, we do not use official designs, so we are not obliged to publish the electronic design of our products.

OK, open source software licenses are easy because they can use copyrights. Open source hardware is more difficult because it falls between patents and copyrights, with some portions having no protection. If you're doing a new clean design, and not leveraging anything from the speeduino design/schematics/layout, then you don't need to share the hardware files.

I haven't followed the last couple years of Speeduino development, so I don't know how your new ECU will go over with the Speeduino community. If you're an active contributor, can provide good support, and can actually ship product given the component shortage problems, then the community may embrace you. IDK.

Are you associated with Performance Electronics and their ECUs - https://pe-ltd.com/product-category/performance-aftermarket/ecu/ ? If not, you may run into naming infringement problems.

 

[Perceleris]

OK, open source software licenses are easy because they can use copyrights. Open source hardware is more difficult because it falls between patents and copyrights, with some portions having no protection. If you're doing a new clean design, and not leveraging anything from the speeduino design/schematics/layout, then you don't need to share the hardware files.

I haven't followed the last couple years of Speeduino development, so I don't know how your new ECU will go over with the Speeduino community. If you're an active contributor, can provide good support, and can actually ship product given the component shortage problems, then the community may embrace you. IDK.

Are you associated with Performance Electronics and their ECUs - https://pe-ltd.com/product-category/performance-aftermarket/ecu/ ? If not, you may run into naming infringement problems.

Licenses and patents are a complex subject, but we have no problem, everything has been reviewed with a team of specialist lawyers, and we are definitely not doing anything wrong.
In our instagram you can see some projects that work with our ECUs.
We have no relationship with Performance Electronics LTD.